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Land Rover FAQ - Koenig winches

Series II - IIA vehicles originally

General: This winch was in production from the late 1950's through the mid, late 1960's. The winch is no longer produced and Koenig Iron Works of Houston no longer has any parts for this winch. This winch was specified for many Land Rovers purchased by the Canadian government in the early 1960's. Koenig still makes a winch almost identical to these (from the picture in a brochure I can't tell any difference), except that they are hydraulic. However, if you have a PTO you should be able to hook it up if you want a mechanical driven winch rather than a hydraulic one. These winches come in both crank driven and pto flavors, though the pto version requires a modified front exhaust pipe. (Koenig used to supply the front pipe, today you have to make one yourself from surplus exhaust parts. It can and has been done by people in Ottawa) PTO version is much rarer, at least in eastern Canada. The winch was originally made from one used on oil derrecks. These winches are rated at 8,000 pounds, continuous load. One should note that electric winches are rates at an intermittent load, regardless of rating. You can run 1/2" cable on these winches as I and others do. While they work, they are extremely reliable. Far better than any electric garbage that seems to be currently popular. Clutches can be adjusted for a while to keep the unit running. No one has needed to go and get a new clutch unit, but I understand that they are available. Parts: *somewhere* there are parts for the old ones. Back around the late 80's Koenig still had parts left but were about to get rid of them (they normally sold parts for discontinued winches to someone in FL). As of early 1990's, Koenig had disposed of all spare parts and had no record of where they went. So, if they kept to their pattern, there are parts somewhere in FL. If L/R owners ever needed a holy grail, maybe this is it. :-)IMHO the most valuable parts would be the housings, especially the Centrex PTO housing, as most of the internals (shafts, bearings, seals, etc) can be purchased at bearing or power transmission shops. Value: You can sell thousands of these winches at US$500, one was know to have sold for US$2,000. In working order they are worth from 500 - 650 dollars (US). I have seen them sell for less and a lot more. This would be average. I paid $500 Canadian for the first, $550US for the second. (Demand in the USA is driving up prices here unfortunately. The alternative is to find one in a wrecking yard, but generally the Land Rover has had the winch stripped from it, unless of course it is a capstan winch and they don't know who would ever want such a thing, so they go a little cheaper...)Various: If you find a crank driven one, make sure you get the entire thing. There is a base plate that is needed for mounting (front mounts to the bumper and where the 4 bumper bolts are, and uses two large hooks in the back that pull up against the frame.) You can fashion your own mounting plate if required, but there was one available from Koenig in the 1960's as an option. I have seen vehicles with and without the "factory" mounting plate. It is just a bit more convenient to have the Koenig mounting plate. If the donor vehicle has this plate welded on, take dimensions and fashion your own, or cut it off. It might not be worth the effort to remove. Koenig winch mounts with 6 large nuts and bolts. More importantly, you need the crank end pieces. The Koenig requires a different crank nut that secures a drive plate to the end of the crank. The drive shaft screws onto this plate. A machine shop can make you one, but the original is easier.

Crankshaft driven version

Model LR-591 and LR 592. The only difference between the two models is the cab controls in model LR-592

Note: There are two variations of this winch. The differences lie in the control levers. One has much longer levers to allow cables to be run into the inside (rhs, passenger side) to engage the winch as well as put it into neutral, cable in and out. The other has shorter levers that require you to operate the winch while standing beside it.

PTO (Gearbox) version - Model L-621

From Bruce Fowler:

Lets start with the input shaft..... The word is.....

Have someone build up the worn shaft, then turn it down to 7/8", and use a speedi sleeve where the oil seal seats. Ron said it would be over two hundred bucks usd to turn out another one. (Latching dogs are part of the shaft.) # 40 chain - hole to hole 33.5 inches. Speedi sleeve - CRI 99087 Input shaft bearings x 2: (NICE) 1640 DCTN Shift fork oil seal CR (Chicago Rawhide) # 6315 Input shaft oil seal CR (Chicago Rawhide) # 8702


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